Yet, the real decision makers were discussing the issue
several days back at the 60th Bilderberg conference – a media-shy annual
event, held in Copenhagen last weekend. So what are the plans, carved
out by the Bilderbergers? The Voice of Russia is getting an insight into
the discussion at one of most secretive gatherings in the world,
together with Daniel Estulin, political analyst and journalist with a
special focus on Bilderberg policies.
“I think their position is very clear from their final
objective and, their final objective, obviously, is the end game in
Russia. Until Russia can be subjugated, you will not be able to have one
world government, one world order, one World Company Ltd – call it
whatever you want.
So, what we are seeing right now it is not only in Ukraine,
but all around the world. We see it in Detroit how not only the city
itself, but the USA is being deindustrialized on purpose. We see it in
Karakas in Venezuela. We see it in Thailand. We saw it in the Soviet
Union back in the 1990’es. We saw it in Yugoslavia back in the 1990’es.
It is the idea of destruction, deindustrialization, zero
growth. Again, the end game is Russia and until you can subjugate
Russia, one way or another, you are not going to have your one World
Company Ltd, one world government. And this is basically what is behind
all of these attempts.
And this actually goes back even before the WWII, except
for that the Soviet Union won that war and didn’t allow the Nazi and
consequently the elite take over the territory and the natural
resources, something that they tried to do very-very hard during the
dark period in the 1990’es with Yeltsin in power. And they almost
succeeded until Putin came into power and made a very strong push back
and put things at place.
Why are they talking about Russia? China seems to be a more likely enemy in the long run.
One of the key issues discussed this year at the Bilderberg
conference is the fact that the European and American Bilderbergers for
the first time in many years, since 2002 were actually in disagreement
and were somewhat at each other’s throat. The European Bilderbergers
were saying to the American delegation – you wanted us to impose
sanctions, we did and now the Russians made a deal with the Chinese.
Somebody has forgot to lock the back door and now we have
the Chinese and the Russians signing this enormous gas deal worth about
$400 billion knowing that the nightmare scenario for the Bilderbergers,
for the Western elite, is the fact that the Chinese, the Russians and
now the Iranians are working closely together, and will be working
closely together. This deal that the Russians signed with the Chinese
will help Kremlin reduce Russia’s reliance on gas exports to Europe. And
it’s proved that Putin has allies when he seeks to blunt these Western
sanctions over Ukraine.
Some of the other things discussed as far as Russia and
China are concerned is that both Russia and China want to assert
themselves as regional powers. Both have increasingly strained relations
with America, which helped them to join forces this particular way.
That said, as the American Bilderbergers reminded the rest
at this year’s conference in Copenhagen, for 40 years Richard Nixon,
Kissinger persuaded China to turn against the Soviet Union and ally with
America. And so, there are a lot of questions asked, rhetorical
questions at the Bilderberg conferences, that today’s collaboration
between Russia and China amounts to a new alliance against America.
And to a certain degree they agreed that it does, but
then, they also said that a silver line that they can actually see is
the fact that the Russian elites can be split as a force. For example,
one of the things that the Bilderbergers agreed on is that the Western
banks become more reluctant to extend loans to Russia. Russia will get
loans from the Chinese banks and there will show the gap.
There is another important element to keep in mind, that
despite all of this Russia and China will struggle to overcome some
fundamental differences. And we can see the fact that the gas deal
itself, as Bilderbergers said at the conference, it took ten years to
make and the deal was announced the last minute. So, how hard it was to
reach an agreement?
And the European Bilderbergers from their sources were
saying that the Chinese basically drove a hard bargain and got an upper
hand in the deal, because Putin was desperate to reach this agreement.
There is also another element, as far as the
Chinese-Russian relations where China has the upper hand, the Chinese
are not only getting gas from Russia, they are getting it now from
Australia and Central Asia. And when the China’s global power is
growing, the Bilderbergers agreed that Russia is decline corroded by
corruption and also unable to diversify its economy away from the
natural resources.
These are some of the conclusions at the Bilderberg conference.
Another thing that the Bilderbergers are willing to do is
actually play the Chinese against the Russians. They said that the
Chinese Government will expect the Kremlin to recognize this historic
shift in power, which is a recipe for Chinese impatience and also
Russia’s resentment.
And while the two countries are united against America,
they also need a stabilizing influence. Needless to say, the Russians
and the Chinese are tussling for an important Central Asia. You know,
they have this enormous border. On the one side it is heavily populated
by the Chinese who have no natural resources. And on the other side you
have partially populated Russian part of the border with enormous
quantity of commodities.
That is something that the
Russians obviously need to keep in mind. And as one American at the
Bilderberg said – despite the fact that the Russians and the Chinese
have made this agreement, it will be very easy to sabotage the actual
outflow of gas.
He reminded Bilderbergers that many of Russia’s tactical
nuclear weapons are still pointed at China. And in the long run, the
Russians and the Chinese are just as likely to fallout, according to
Bilderberger, as to form an alliance.
So, expect in the near future
the American and the European oligarchies and governments firmly stand
behind the Chinese against the Russians.
So, what is your forecast?
What kind of tactics will the Bilderbergers chose vis-à-vis Russia? Is
it going to be military tactics? Is it going to be financial tactics,
economic or what? And the second question is – do you think that they
will succeed in breaking the cooperation between Russia and China?
It will be difficult to do that, because both understand
that the common enemy is the US, the common enemy if the Western
oligarchy. And even if the Chinese decide to join the Americans
temporarily, they understand that these are marriages of convenience and
in the long run they will lose.
So, I don’t think so. I think the Chinese and the
Russians, these are the civilizations on the ground for too long and
they have a very strong historical tradition in diplomacy. So,
to think that the Americans can actually convince the Russians or the
Chinese to break this alliance in favour of something ephemeral, I think
it is going to be very-very difficult to do.
I have a very difficult time believing that the Russians
or the Chinese are going to jump the gun as far as military actions are
concerned. They understand what the stakes are, because the next war, if
there is a war, is not going to be fought with tactical weapons, it is
going to be a thermonuclear war, which very well could be the end of
civilization.
But what is absolutely true, is what we are seeing today
(and this is, again, part of a very important element discussed at the
Bilderberger conference), not only Russia-China alliance, the Ukraine’s
situation, but the fact that we are seeing this rise of nationalism. Some mainstream media calls it extremism.
Marine Le Pen in France and Nigel Farage from the UKIP in England, they are not extremists at all. But
we are looking at actually, and this is one of the reasons why the EU
and the oligarchs on the world stage are very concerned, because we are
looking at two different systems in place. One is a monetary system and
the other one is a national credit system.
And whichever system wins or gets the upper hand, is the
way the world is going to be run. Today the world is run by monetary
system. If you are smart, you don’t want
the monetary system to run the world, you want sovereign nation states
to have their own credit system, which is in their currency.
And above all, it is the possibility of productive
noninflationary credit creation by the state, which was stated in the
American constitution and was exactly for that reason excluded by
Maastricht, as a method of determining economic and financial policies.
In Europe this can’t be done,
because in Europe the governments are subjected to control of private
banking interests called independent banking system. And these
institutions, they literally have the power to regulate governments and
to dictate terms to governments. So, if you actually think about
it, you are looking at the European Central Bank and the people at the
Central Bank unelected by anyone in the world dictating terms to
governments.
But there is no
government, there is no nation, it is a group of nations run by a
private bank. And it is insanity to belong to this system. And the idea
is, what we are seeing right now with these particular private financial
interests, basically, it grew up historically in Europe, it’s been
installed this system as an authoritative instrument of Western economic
policy of sovereign governments oriented towards the general welfare.
The European banking
is a remnant of this feudal society in which private interests are
still fought by the ancient Venetian cartels or by the Lombard League,
which went down in the Dark Ages, in the 14th century when we had the
first big financial collapse in 1345.
The bubble which is
about to burst is much bigger than the 1345 bubble, which destroyed most
of Europe, killed half of the population as a result of the bubonic
plague. And what we are seeing right now is something far worse.
And needless to say that
monetary crisis we are seeing right now on the world stage, it is the
reflection of the insanity imposed upon a process of destroying the
physical economy of the world, because, again, the idea is that progress
and development is directly proportional to population density.
So, you have technology, you
have progress, you have wealth and you are going to have more people on
the planet. And if you are the elite, you don’t need more people, you
don’t need 10-20 or 30 billion people, because there is not enough food
and water for everybody.
If you are the elite, the 1%
of the world, you need to destroy the population or reduce it. And the
way to do it is destroying the world’s economy. And Detroit is a great
example of this destruction. This is the poster child for the world
economy.
We are seeing the same in
Latin America, we are seeing the same in Ukraine, we are seeing the same
in Thailand, and we saw the same back in the 1990’es when they split up
the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. So,
again, what we are seeing right now in the world stage, and Ukraine is
just a symptom of this, is just another piece, it is not the end game,
the end game is Russia and until you destroy all the systems around it
and you can actually send Russia to hell in handbasket, in order to be
able to control the nation.
And until they do
that, they will keep pushing any way they can, which is why it is so
important that the Russian and the Chinese keep their alliance strong
and understand that their common interests are far greater than anything
else they can get temporarily from the Western powers.